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		<title>A student or a scholar</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the things I discovered about myself during the past year is that I&#8217;m a student, not a scholar. I&#8217;ve always thought of myself as a &#8220;lifelong student,&#8221; but I&#8217;m not sure I really understood what that meant till recently. In my view, a master&#8217;s candidate is a student, a PhD candidate is a [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="clear: both;">One of the things I discovered about myself during the past year is that I&#8217;m a student, not a scholar. I&#8217;ve always thought of myself as a &#8220;lifelong student,&#8221; but I&#8217;m not sure I really understood what that meant till recently.</p>
<p style="clear: both;">In my view, a master&#8217;s candidate is a student, a PhD candidate is a scholar. The differences are many: the difference between being an amateur (student) and a professional (scholar), between minor league and major league, between levels of commitment in terms of time, energy, passion, and dedication.</p>
<p style="clear: both;">For me, a lifelong student retains the joy of learning new things and loves sampling the buffet. That&#8217;s been me, that will always, probably, be me. The scholar, I think, takes a deeper interest and is best served (at least in their early years) by not flitting from flower to flower. Also, the way academe is structured, scholars are professionally groomed for a tough job market; the decisions they make <abbr class="datetime" title="2011-03-06">today</abbr> on the research they publish will have repercussions years down the line. The student, I think, lives more in the moment, or at least has a shorter time horizon for the satisfying of their desires.</p>
<p style="clear: both;">As I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve said in other posts, I <em>like</em> taking classes. This seemed to separate the student from the scholar, in my brief experience. I think I&#8217;m one of the &#8220;Scanners&#8217; that Barbara Sher describes in her book<em> </em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Refuse-Choose-Interests-Passions-Hobbies/dp/1594866260/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1299466469&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank"><em>Refuse to Choose</em></a>: someone who loves the novelty and variety of learning and resists constraining themselves to a single specialty.</p>
<p style="clear: both;">Reminds me of these quotes by Bill Moyers on the fun of being a journalist:</p>
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<p style="clear: both;">A journalist is a professional beachcomber on the shores of other people&#8217;s wisdom &#8230; A journalist is basically a chronicler, not an interpreter of events. Where else in society do you have the license to eavesdrop on so many different conversations as you have in journalism? Where else can you delve into the life of our times? I consider myself a fortunate man to have a forum for my curiosity.</p>
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<p style="clear: both;">Had I stuck it out in the PhD realm, my chosen research style would have been that of a journalist. The challenge for my life now, I think, is to elevate that curiosity and focus from a hobby done in my spare time to a respected place of prominence at the center of my life and how I choose to spend the rest of my years on the planet.</p>
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		<title>Safety paranoia</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="clear: both">Here&#8217;s a quote from Stephen Fry&#8217;s novel <strong><em>Making History</em></strong>, one of the few passages that struck me as admirable in that lamentably bad book.</p>
<blockquote style="clear: both"><p style="clear: both">If there is a word to describe our age, it must be Security, or to put it another way, Insecurity. From the neurotic insecurity of Freud, by the way of the insecurities of the Kaiser, the Fuhrer, Eisenhower, and Stalin, right up to the terrors of the citizens of the modern world &#8211;</p>
<p style="clear: both"><strong>THEY ARE OUT THERE</strong></p>
<p style="clear: both">The enemy. They will break into your car, burgle your house, molest your children, consign you to hellfire, murder you for drug money, force you to face Mecca, infect your blood, outlaw your sexual preferences, erode your pension, pollute your beaches, censor your thoughts, steal your ideas, poison your air, threaten your values, use foul language on your television, destroy your security. Keep them away! Lock them out! Hide them from sight! Bury them! </p>
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		<title>Dahl on travel and civilization</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this excerpt from Roald Dahl&#8217;s Boy, his mother asks if he wants to go to Oxford or Cambridge. &#8220;No, thank you,&#8221; I said. &#8220;I want to go straight from school to work for a company that will send me to wonderful faraway places like Africa or China.&#8221; You must remember that there was virtually [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this excerpt from Roald Dahl&#8217;s <em>Boy</em>, his mother asks if he wants to go to Oxford or Cambridge.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;No, thank you,&#8221; I said. &#8220;I want to go straight from school to work for a company that will send me to wonderful faraway places like Africa or China.&#8221;</p>
<p>You must remember that there was virtually no air travel in the early 1930s. Africa was two weeks away from England by boat and it took you about five weeks to get to China. These were distant and magic lands and nobody went to them just for a holiday. You went there to work. Nowadays you can go anywhere in the world in a few hours and nothing is fabulous anymore. But it was a very different matter in 1933.</p></blockquote>
<p>I love the use of that word <em>fabulous</em>. It saves the passage from sounding like a cranky-old-man reminiscence.</p>
<p>Dahl gets his wish and is posted to Africa, where he will work for three years straight, with no opportunity to visit home or see his family. I admire the detail and compression in this paragraph as he summarizes three years of his life into a paragraph.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;I got my African adventure all right. I got the roasting heat and the crocodiles and the snakes and the long safaris up-country, selling Shell oil to the men who ran the diamond mines and the sisal plantations. I learned about an extraordinary machine called a decorticator (a name I have always loved) which shredded the big leathery sisal leaves into fibre. I learned to speak Swahili and to shake the scorpions out of my mosquito boots in the mornings. I learned what it was like to get malaria and to run a temperature of 105 degrees F for three days, and when the rainy seasons came and the water poured down in solid sheets and flooded the little dirt roads, I learned how to spend nights in the back of a stifling station-wagon with all the windows closed against marauders from the jungle. Above all, I learned how to look after myself in a way that no young person can ever do by staying in civilisation.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Dahl on the life of businessmen and writers</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the following excerpt from Roald Dahl&#8217;s <em>Boy</em>, he&#8217;s left public school at 18 to take a job with Shell Oil company. He is taking their internal training courses and is learning the business.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;[E]very morning, six days a week, Saturdays included, I would dress neatly in a sombre grey suit, have breakfast at seven forty-five and then, with a brown trilby on my head and a furled umbrella in my hand, I would board the eight-fifteen train to London together with a swarm of other equally sombre-suited businessmen. I found it easy to fall into their pattern. We were all very serious and dignified gents taking the train to our offices in the City of London where each of us, so we thought, was engaged in high finance and other enormously important matters. Most of my companions wore hard bowler hats, and a few like me wore soft trilbys, but not one of us on that train in the year of 1934 went bareheaded. It wasn&#8217;t done. And none of us, even on the sunniest of days, went without his furled umbrella. The umbrella was our badge of office. We felt naked without it. Also it was a sign of respectability. Road-menders and plumbers never went to work with umbrellas. Businessmen did.</p>
<p>I enjoyed it. I really did. I began to realise how simple life could be if one had a regular routine to follow with fixed hours and a fixed salary and very little original thinking to do. The life of a writer is absolute hell compared with the life of a businessman. The writer has to force himself to work. He has to make his own hours and if he doesn&#8217;t go to his desk at all there is nobody to scold him. If he is a writer of fiction he lives in a world of fear. Each new day demands new ideas and he can never be sure whether he is going to come up with them or not. Two hours of writing fiction leaves this particular writer absolutely drained. For those two hours he has been miles away, he has been somewhere else, in a different place with totally different people, and the effort of swimming back into normal surroundings is very great. It is almost a shock. The writer walks out of his workroom in a daze. He wants a drink. He needs it. It happens to be a fact that nearly every writer of fiction in the world drinks more whiskey than is good for him. He does it to give himself faith, hope, and courage. A person is a fool to become a writer. His only compensation is absolute freedom. He has no master except his own soul, and that, I am sure, is why he does it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>My future is assured</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vaynerchuk tells anecdotes, but his main activities veer more into the uncool profession of teaching. In the above-linked interview he admits to being a &#8220;class clown,&#8221; and I have found in my twenty years of teaching that that one characteristic is a better predictor of who ends up a teacher in life than any other. [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Vaynerchuk tells anecdotes, but his main activities veer more into the uncool profession of teaching. In the above-linked interview he admits to being a &#8220;class clown,&#8221; and I have found in my twenty years of teaching that that one characteristic is a better predictor of who ends up a teacher in life than any other.</p>
<p>The class clown seems to be the opposite of the teacher&#8211; loud, disruptive, dismissive, and seeming to want to be anywhere else but class&#8211; but in reality, I&#8217;ve found, the clown feels completely at home in class, envies the teacher&#8217;s ability to hog all the attention, and secretly wants to be the one in front of the whiteboard with the dry erase marker, telling everyone what matters.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Great words</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the final Hold this Thought broadcast: &#8220;In East of Eden, John Steinbeck writes: &#8216;A child may ask, &#8220;What is the world&#8217;s story about?&#8221; And a grown man or woman may wonder, &#8220;What way will the world go? How does it end and, while we&#8217;re at it, what&#8217;s the story about?&#8221; I believe that there [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the final <a href="http://www.holdthisthought.org/blog/index.cfm/2009/3/31/East-of-Eden-Barbara-Brown" target="_blank">Hold this Thought</a> broadcast:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In East of Eden, John Steinbeck writes:</p>
<p>&#8216;A child may ask, &#8220;What is the world&#8217;s story about?&#8221; And a grown man or woman may wonder, &#8220;What way will the world go? How does it end and, while we&#8217;re at it, what&#8217;s the story about?&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that there is one story in the world&#8230;. Humans are caught &#8212; in their lives, in their thoughts, in their hungers and ambitions, in their avarice and cruelty, and in their kindness and generosity too &#8212; in a net of good and evil. I think this is the only story we have and that it occurs on all levels of feeling and intelligence. Virtue and vice were warp and woof of our first consciousness, and they will be the fabric of our last, and this despite any changes we may impose on field and river and mountain, on economy and manners. There is no other story. A man, after he has brushed off the dust and chips of his life, will have left only the hard, clean questions: Was it good or was it evil? Have I done well &#8212; or ill?&#8217; &#8220;</p></blockquote>


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		<title>On acting and life</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[By then, the veterans had developed an informal set of rules for themselves: Take the craft seriously ([Judi] Dench: &#8220;deadly&#8221;). Don&#8217;t take yourself seriously ([Patrick] Stewart: &#8220;That&#8217;s death to creativity&#8221;). Never think you know it all (Dench: &#8220;Absolutely fatal&#8221;). Ian McKellen: The Player &#8211; TIME Related posts:Librophiliac Love Letter: A Compendium of Beautiful Libraries Emails [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By then, the veterans had developed an informal set of rules for themselves: Take the craft seriously ([Judi] Dench: &#8220;deadly&#8221;). Don&#8217;t take yourself seriously ([Patrick] Stewart: &#8220;That&#8217;s death to creativity&#8221;). Never think you know it all (Dench: &#8220;Absolutely fatal&#8221;).</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1886459,00.html?xid=newsletter-weekly">Ian McKellen: The Player &#8211; TIME</a></p>


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		<title>&#8220;The Midnight Disease&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years ago, I read and enjoyed Alice W. Flaherty&#8217;s memoir, The Midnight Disease. Suffering from postpartum depression after the death of her newborn child, she began experiencing hypergraphia &#8212; the uncontrollable urge to write. She filled pages and pages with her writing, and couldn&#8217;t stop &#8212; the opposite of writer&#8217;s block. Flaherty is [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, I read and enjoyed Alice W. Flaherty&#8217;s memoir, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Disease-Drive-Writers-Creative/dp/0618485414/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1223257713&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank"><em>The Midnight Disease</em></a>. Suffering from postpartum depression after the death of her newborn child, she began experiencing hypergraphia &#8212; the uncontrollable urge to write. She filled pages and pages with her writing, and couldn&#8217;t stop &#8212; the opposite of writer&#8217;s block.</p>
<p>Flaherty is a psychiatrist and her memoir/study grapples with a scientific way to look at creativity, which at times resembles a mental disorder.</p>
<p>When I had the book, I wrote down many passages and thoughts that struck me. Those passages follow. Page numbers refer to the hardcover edition.</p>
<p>(no page #)<br />
Far more important, a life chosen to maximize joy may be very different from one chosen to minimize pain.</p>
<p>212<br />
Accounts of the muse&#8217;s influence are matched by complaints of its fickleness. An example is Donald Justice&#8217;s poem &#8220;The Telephone Number of the Muse&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>I call her up sometimes, long distance now.<br />
And she still knows my voice, but I can hear,<br />
Behind the music of her phonograph,<br />
The laughter of the young men with their keys.<br />
I have the number written down somewhere.</p></blockquote>
<p>239<br />
I would argue that these creative states are extreme variants of the inner voice, that constant monologue which fills us from when we first learn language as toddlers until we lose it in nursing homes and intensive care units.</p>
<p>250<br />
When we are thinking abstractly, though, we seem to be doing so prelinguistically, both because the speed of our thoughts seems faster than words and because of the difficulty we often have in putting fleeting thoughts into real words. By contrast, in both the experience of the muse and in psychotic hallucinations, the voice heard has more of a sensory quality as well; it is more like a voice, less like an idea.</p>
<p>This notion fits with our sense that voices, whether spoken or signed, in some way are more primitive than silent thoughts. Just as two-year-olds say aloud much of what goes through their heads, just as six-year-olds subvocalize when they read, so people in the throes of creation, as well as people hallucinating, may be thinking more primitively. Not necessarily more simplistically, but primitively &#8230; more vividly, more concretely, more associatively, less constrained by societal convention.</p>
<p>252<br />
The psychiatrist Mark Epstein has pointed out that keeping respiration in mind as a model for our give-and-take relationship with the external world, and especially with our creative work, would have a very different effect from thinking of the world as something (on the oral, anal, or genital models) to be consumed, expelled, or penetrated.</p>
<p>254<br />
The image is not of the artist enriched by the spirit of art, but ex-hausted by its leaving his body. Finishing a project successfully is, paradoxically, a not uncommon cause of clinical depression.</p>
<p>I think that when you work hard enough on any work, everything of value in you goes into that work. When you finish it, it leaves you, and you are empty.</p>
<p>260<br />
Neurologists and others have attributed the behavior of many famous religious leaders directly to temporal lobe epilepsy.</p>
<p>Moses, for instance, reportedly had convulsive fits starting at age three, speech problems suggestive of aphasia or dysarthria, unusually prolific writing, episodes of sudden rage, and religious visions. One neuropsychologist has even speculated that his epilepsy was caused by his being left in that basket among the bullrushes for several days and sustaining a brain injury from heatstroke.</p>
<p>266<br />
The scientist in me worries that my happiness is nothing more than a symptom of bipolar disease, hypergraphia from a postpartum disorder. The rest of me thinks that artificially splitting off the scientist in me from the writer in me is actually a kind of cultural bipolar disorder, one that too many of us have. The scientist asks how I can call  my writing vocation and not addiction. I no longer see why I should have to make that distinction. I am addicted to breathing in the same way. I write because when I don&#8217;t, it is suffocating. I write because something much larger than myself comes into me that suffuses the page, the world, with meaning. Although I constantly fear that what I am writing teeters at the edge of being false, this force that drives me cannot be anything but real, or nothing will ever be real for me again.</p>


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		<title>On being a professional</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t take many notes in my 500 class, but I wanted to get this down from the professor, Dr. Marchionini: If you&#8217;re a professional, then you have to think. The professional dwells in confusing places where the boundaries are fuzzy and you have to make decisions. If you&#8217;re not thinking, you&#8217;re a factory worker. [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t take many notes in my 500 class, but I wanted to get this down from the professor, Dr. Marchionini:</p>
<blockquote><p>If you&#8217;re a professional, then you <em><strong>have to think</strong></em>. The professional dwells in confusing places where the boundaries are fuzzy and you have to make decisions. If you&#8217;re not thinking, you&#8217;re a factory worker.</p></blockquote>
<p>He wasn&#8217;t disparaging factory workers, by the way &#8212; we&#8217;ve all worked those kinds of jobs. But the kind of working and thinking that we&#8217;re preparing ourselves for can&#8217;t be performed by rote.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[My previous post on winning arguments unfairly reminded me of a blog posting by the actor, writer, wit, and all-around bon vivant Stephen Fry. In this post,  (scroll down to &#8220;Getting Overheated&#8221;) Fry discusses how Englishers and Americans differ when having an argument. While he and his fellow Englishmen love a good hearty tussle of [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous <a href="http://www.brownstudy.info/2008/07/21/winning-arguments-unfairly/" target="_blank">post </a>on winning arguments unfairly reminded me of a blog posting by the actor, writer, wit, and all-around bon vivant <a href="http://stephenfry.com/" target="_blank">Stephen Fry</a>.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://stephenfry.com/blog/?p=27" target="_blank">this post</a>,  (scroll down to &#8220;Getting Overheated&#8221;) Fry discusses how Englishers and Americans differ when having an argument. While he and his fellow Englishmen love a good hearty tussle of ideas, he finds Americans discomfited by the idea of argument or debate of any kind.</p>
<blockquote><p>I was warned many, many years ago by the great Jonathan Lynn, co-creator of &#8220;Yes Minister&#8221; and director of the comic masterpiece &#8220;My Cousin Vinnie&#8221;, that Americans are not raised in a tradition of debate and that the adversarial ferocity common around a dinner table in Britain is more or less unheard of in America. When Jonathan first went to live in LA he couldn’t understand the terrible silences that would fall when he trashed an statement he disagreed with and said something like “yes, but that’s just arrant nonsense, isn’t it? It doesn’t make sense. It’s self-contradictory.” To a Briton pointing out that something is nonsense, rubbish, tosh or logically impossible in its own terms is not an attack on the person saying it – it’s often no more than a salvo in what one hopes might become an enjoyable intellectual tussle. Jonathan soon found that most Americans responded with offence, hurt or anger to this order of cut and thrust. Yes, one hesitates ever to make generalizations, but let’s be honest the cultures are different, if they weren’t how much poorer the world would be and Americans really don’t seem to be very good at or very used to the idea of a good no-holds barred verbal scrap. I’m not talking about inter-family ‘discussions’ here, I don’t doubt that within American families and amongst close friends, all kinds of liveliness and hoo-hah is possible, I’m talking about what for good or ill one might as well call dinner-party conversation. Disagreement and energetic debate appears to leave a loud smell in the air.</p></blockquote>


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